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Trotskygrad
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:


to your point re: AR-15's used in crimes - couldn't that argument (that they haven't been used in many crimes in the past 10 years) be construed as an affirmation that the federal assault weapons ban was working?
"Two studies indicate higher propor- tions of juvenile offenders reporting possession and use of assault rifles. The Virginia inmate survey also cov- ered 192 juvenile offenders. About 20% reported that they had pos- sessed an assault rifle and 1% said that they had carried it at the scene of a crime. In 1991, Sheley and Wright surveyed 835 serious juvenile offend- ers incarcerated in 6 facilities in 4 States. In the Sheley and Wright study, 35% of the juvenile inmates reported that they had owned a military-style automatic or semiauto- matic rifle just prior to confinement."
what you are trying to say is?
I think if you read the entire article, AR-15s are used less because criminals prefer to conceal their weapons, so handguns will be prevalent.
KEN-JENNINGS
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Did I miss the link to the article?  All I read is the part you quoted.
Jay
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Jay wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

This has actually gotten me thinking how funny it would be to watch a bunch of libertards with AR15s try to take down an Apache gunship.

I'd watch that movie, it'd be sweet.
Hey, you know what? In the 1:1,000,000 chance that someone did try to set up a dictatorship in their lifetime, they would at least fight. You'd write a smug post on a dead video game forum mocking them, maybe you'd watch a half hour long video and then donate money to Libertard2030, but probably not.

But that's besides the point. When was the last time an AR-15 was used in a crime? They're rather hard to conceal you know, and the .223 ammo it fires is preferred by the military because the ammo is cheap, not because it has stopping power. If they wanna run around in the woods plinking targets, more power to 'em. They're not hurting anyone, but the rage they induce in people like you is uproariously funny
to your point re: AR-15's used in crimes - couldn't that argument (that they haven't been used in many crimes in the past 10 years) be construed as an affirmation that the federal assault weapons ban was working?
I guess, except they never banned any weapons, just cosmetic stuff like flash suppressors. You could buy an AR-15 any time you wanted.

Point is, people don't run down the street with rifles to hold up liquor stores, they conceal a handgun. Were there a string of robberies with M1 Garands before the AR-15 was invented? Doubt it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
KEN-JENNINGS
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they did ban weapons-  the sale of assault weapons.  anyone that had a previously purchased one could still own one.

people don't usually run around with assault rifles to commit crimes, agree.  AKs and Uzis are used sometimes though.  Not common, but used.  Regardless, this is a retarded tangent in the first place.  we can get back to debating gun control
13rin
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It really isn't a matter of control so much as where the line is drawn
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ROGUEDD
BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.
+452|2862|Fuck this.

13rin wrote:

It really isn't a matter of control so much as where the line is drawn
which should be at "people who don't know how to use one safely" and "the mentally ill".

And felons.

Last edited by ROGUEDD (2012-07-12 16:23:37)

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13urnzz
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let's have a show of hands -
  who here honestly believed obama was coming for your guns? three and a half years ago, i couldn't find 9mm or .357 ammo. now sportsman's warehouse is spamming my inbox with all the sales they're having. the last three Crossroads of the West gun shows have featured more, and a bigger variety, of guns and rifles than the previous eight. it's like someone was orchestrating the hoopla and hype during the last election, and now that we're having another election, i haven't had a single problem buying or selling a rifle, handgun, or ammo.
KEN-JENNINGS
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ROGUEDD wrote:

13rin wrote:

It really isn't a matter of control so much as where the line is drawn
which should be at "people who don't know how to use one safely" and "the mentally ill".
i would like the laws to address the ability for criminals to procure guns - namely through straw purchases and stealing them from people who own guns.  I think the law should require that you store your guns behind lock and key when you are not home
Macbeth
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I'm okay with concealed and open carry in lightly populated places like the midwest, Alaska, and some places in the south. I'm against it when it comes to cities or densely populated states like NJ.
ROGUEDD
BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.
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Macbeth wrote:

I'm okay with concealed and open carry in lightly populated places like the midwest, Alaska, and some places in the south. I'm against it when it comes to cities or densely populated states like NJ.
For what reason?
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Macbeth
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I don't like the idea of someone 'standing their ground' in a state like NJ where there are 1200 people per square mile or like NYC where there are 27000 people per square mile.

Last edited by Macbeth (2012-07-12 16:36:21)

KEN-JENNINGS
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my opinion is that people want to concealed carry to compensate for a small penis, but that's just like, my opinion, man.
ROGUEDD
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+452|2862|Fuck this.
My penis is so small I concealed carry a M79.
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unnamednewbie13
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Doctor Strangelove wrote:

This has actually gotten me thinking how funny it would be to watch a bunch of libertards with AR15s try to take down an Apache gunship.

I'd watch that movie, it'd be sweet.
Rambo 5.
RAIMIUS
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Macbeth wrote:

I don't like the idea of someone 'standing their ground' in a state like NJ where there are 1200 people per square mile or like NYC where there are 27000 people per square mile.
So, you can only defend yourself with lethal force without a legal duty to retreat in states with low population densities?  That makes sense how?

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unnamednewbie13
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A nice first step to consideration for your neighbors would be to use ammunition with ultra-low penetrative power when you "stand your ground."
13urnzz
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where do i get "ultra-low penetrative power" .357 magnum rounds?

edit; nevermind, i have a box of .38

Last edited by 13urnzz (2012-07-12 17:01:45)

Macbeth
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RAIMIUS wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I don't like the idea of someone 'standing their ground' in a state like NJ where there are 1200 people per square mile or like NYC where there are 27000 people per square mile.
So, you can only defend yourself with lethal force without a legal duty to retreat in states with low population densities?
You can defend yourself with lethal force as long as you do not use a firearm in a place other than your home. It's painfully obvious that is what I meant.
Macbeth
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Seriously, I don't know how you didn't understand what I meant. For fuck sake, we are in a gun thread.
unnamednewbie13
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13urnzz wrote:

where do i get "ultra-low penetrative power" .357 magnum rounds?

edit; nevermind, i have a box of .38
You could always grab a .45/.410 revolver from Taurus.
Trotskygrad
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Did I miss the link to the article?  All I read is the part you quoted.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

article, sorry

"Firearms
were identified as the murder weapon
in 600 cases.  Over 70% of the firearms used were handguns.  Of those
handguns for which the caliber and
firing action could be identified, 19%
were .38 caliber revolvers, 10% were
.22 caliber revolvers, and 9% were 9
millimeter semiautomatic pistols.
The Hawaii Department of the Attorney
General, Crime Prevention Division,
studied 59 firearm-related homicides in
Honolulu from 1988 to 1992.  Handguns were used in 48 homicides (over
80%) including 11 handguns of 9 millimeter caliber, 10 of .357 caliber, 10 of
.38 caliber, and 5 of .25 caliber."
KEN-JENNINGS
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that article is almost 20 years old
Jaekus
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I think the law should require that you store your guns behind lock and key when you are not home
Hence the 'control' part of it.

What are the penalties for supplying firearms to people with a criminal record?
A2TG2
Hazbeen
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eleven bravo wrote:

equalizer against a 155 HE round screaming at you from 5 miles away.  real equalizer. 

everyone in Iraq had automatic assault rifles.  really equalized things there.
In essence, you are correct.
That is why the families of the drone operators and politicians must be targeted in the next Revolution. Attrition is a bitch.
13rin
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

my opinion is that people want to concealed carry to compensate for a small penis, but that's just like, my opinion, man.
Yet another gun control post fail brought to you by KJ

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